I bought a couple of these to wear with my casual street cloths in informal settings. They work great and go well with polos and button-up shirts. The combination of casual cloths with this mini-front allows folks to both relax and remain reminded of my calling while in my company. In formal settings and while celebrating church service, I wear the formal priest collar attire, but its great to have an alternative in causal settings! I tried the shorter versions but the material kept trying to pop-out from under the shirt collar!